URL:

https://www.flipsnack.com/EFFA5CFF8D6/sifn-pdf/full-view.html

Full analysis: https://app.any.run/tasks/f2bfa3c8-0953-4b4a-89df-1427d042b05f
Verdict: Malicious activity
Analysis date: March 24, 2025, 19:24:09
OS: Windows 10 Professional (build: 19045, 64 bit)
Tags:
phishing-ml
phishing
massbass
Indicators:
MD5:

1F4AEA4059F5371AB64D868A3AEB88A2

SHA1:

AD335B663200D8532BBD1D657A4490F051FC6DB9

SHA256:

FC92F83CFEEA078E5CBD6F663B349D7ECF77BE7F0323AB7617570C0C443A6759

SSDEEP:

3:N8DSLVMVWwGOyT7MbjBMXZD4uMJRIJ:2OL1w87MbjWZVOG

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  • MALICIOUS

    • PHISHING has been detected (SURICATA)

      • msedge.exe (PID: 7420)
  • SUSPICIOUS

    No suspicious indicators.
  • INFO

    • Reads the computer name

      • identity_helper.exe (PID: 9144)
    • Checks supported languages

      • identity_helper.exe (PID: 9144)
    • Reads Environment values

      • identity_helper.exe (PID: 9144)
    • Application launched itself

      • msedge.exe (PID: 2140)
Find more information about signature artifacts and mapping to MITRE ATT&CK™ MATRIX at the full report
No Malware configuration.
No data.
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Total processes
173
Monitored processes
37
Malicious processes
2
Suspicious processes
0

Behavior graph

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start msedge.exe msedge.exe no specs msedge.exe no specs #PHISHING msedge.exe msedge.exe no specs msedge.exe no specs msedge.exe no specs msedge.exe no specs msedge.exe no specs msedge.exe no specs msedge.exe no specs msedge.exe no specs msedge.exe no specs msedge.exe no specs msedge.exe no specs msedge.exe no specs msedge.exe no specs sppextcomobj.exe no specs slui.exe no specs msedge.exe no specs msedge.exe no specs msedge.exe no specs msedge.exe no specs msedge.exe no specs msedge.exe no specs identity_helper.exe no specs identity_helper.exe no specs msedge.exe no specs msedge.exe no specs msedge.exe no specs msedge.exe no specs msedge.exe no specs msedge.exe no specs msedge.exe no specs msedge.exe no specs msedge.exe no specs msedge.exe no specs

Process information

PID
CMD
Path
Indicators
Parent process
1532"C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft\Edge\Application\msedge.exe" --type=utility --utility-sub-type=data_decoder.mojom.DataDecoderService --lang=en-US --service-sandbox-type=service --no-appcompat-clear --mojo-platform-channel-handle=6500 --field-trial-handle=2352,i,14435420935487666520,15333146961740651187,262144 --variations-seed-version /prefetch:8C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft\Edge\Application\msedge.exemsedge.exe
User:
admin
Company:
Microsoft Corporation
Integrity Level:
LOW
Description:
Microsoft Edge
Exit code:
0
Version:
122.0.2365.59
Modules
Images
c:\program files (x86)\microsoft\edge\application\msedge.exe
c:\windows\system32\ntdll.dll
c:\windows\system32\kernel32.dll
c:\windows\system32\kernelbase.dll
c:\program files (x86)\microsoft\edge\application\122.0.2365.59\msedge_elf.dll
c:\windows\system32\oleaut32.dll
c:\windows\system32\msvcp_win.dll
c:\windows\system32\ucrtbase.dll
c:\windows\system32\combase.dll
c:\windows\system32\rpcrt4.dll
2140"C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft\Edge\Application\msedge.exe" "https://www.flipsnack.com/EFFA5CFF8D6/sifn-pdf/full-view.html"C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft\Edge\Application\msedge.exe
explorer.exe
User:
admin
Company:
Microsoft Corporation
Integrity Level:
MEDIUM
Description:
Microsoft Edge
Version:
122.0.2365.59
Modules
Images
c:\program files (x86)\microsoft\edge\application\msedge.exe
c:\windows\system32\ntdll.dll
c:\windows\system32\kernel32.dll
c:\windows\system32\kernelbase.dll
c:\program files (x86)\microsoft\edge\application\122.0.2365.59\msedge_elf.dll
c:\windows\system32\oleaut32.dll
c:\windows\system32\msvcp_win.dll
c:\windows\system32\ucrtbase.dll
c:\windows\system32\combase.dll
c:\windows\system32\rpcrt4.dll
3884"C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft\Edge\Application\msedge.exe" --type=utility --utility-sub-type=chrome.mojom.UtilWin --lang=en-US --service-sandbox-type=none --no-appcompat-clear --mojo-platform-channel-handle=1476 --field-trial-handle=2352,i,14435420935487666520,15333146961740651187,262144 --variations-seed-version /prefetch:8C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft\Edge\Application\msedge.exemsedge.exe
User:
admin
Company:
Microsoft Corporation
Integrity Level:
MEDIUM
Description:
Microsoft Edge
Exit code:
0
Version:
122.0.2365.59
Modules
Images
c:\program files (x86)\microsoft\edge\application\msedge.exe
c:\windows\system32\ntdll.dll
c:\windows\system32\kernel32.dll
c:\windows\system32\kernelbase.dll
c:\program files (x86)\microsoft\edge\application\122.0.2365.59\msedge_elf.dll
c:\windows\system32\oleaut32.dll
c:\windows\system32\msvcp_win.dll
c:\windows\system32\ucrtbase.dll
c:\windows\system32\combase.dll
c:\windows\system32\rpcrt4.dll
4980"C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft\Edge\Application\msedge.exe" --type=utility --utility-sub-type=data_decoder.mojom.DataDecoderService --lang=en-US --service-sandbox-type=service --no-appcompat-clear --mojo-platform-channel-handle=7156 --field-trial-handle=2352,i,14435420935487666520,15333146961740651187,262144 --variations-seed-version /prefetch:8C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft\Edge\Application\msedge.exemsedge.exe
User:
admin
Company:
Microsoft Corporation
Integrity Level:
LOW
Description:
Microsoft Edge
Exit code:
0
Version:
122.0.2365.59
Modules
Images
c:\program files (x86)\microsoft\edge\application\msedge.exe
c:\windows\system32\ntdll.dll
c:\windows\system32\kernel32.dll
c:\windows\system32\kernelbase.dll
c:\program files (x86)\microsoft\edge\application\122.0.2365.59\msedge_elf.dll
c:\windows\system32\oleaut32.dll
c:\windows\system32\msvcp_win.dll
c:\windows\system32\ucrtbase.dll
c:\windows\system32\combase.dll
c:\windows\system32\rpcrt4.dll
5344"C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft\Edge\Application\msedge.exe" --type=utility --utility-sub-type=data_decoder.mojom.DataDecoderService --lang=en-US --service-sandbox-type=service --no-appcompat-clear --mojo-platform-channel-handle=5552 --field-trial-handle=2352,i,14435420935487666520,15333146961740651187,262144 --variations-seed-version /prefetch:8C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft\Edge\Application\msedge.exemsedge.exe
User:
admin
Company:
Microsoft Corporation
Integrity Level:
LOW
Description:
Microsoft Edge
Exit code:
0
Version:
122.0.2365.59
Modules
Images
c:\program files (x86)\microsoft\edge\application\msedge.exe
c:\windows\system32\ntdll.dll
c:\windows\system32\kernel32.dll
c:\windows\system32\kernelbase.dll
c:\program files (x86)\microsoft\edge\application\122.0.2365.59\msedge_elf.dll
c:\windows\system32\oleaut32.dll
c:\windows\system32\msvcp_win.dll
c:\windows\system32\ucrtbase.dll
c:\windows\system32\combase.dll
c:\windows\system32\rpcrt4.dll
5868"C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft\Edge\Application\msedge.exe" --type=utility --utility-sub-type=chrome.mojom.UtilWin --lang=en-US --service-sandbox-type=none --no-appcompat-clear --mojo-platform-channel-handle=1492 --field-trial-handle=2352,i,14435420935487666520,15333146961740651187,262144 --variations-seed-version /prefetch:8C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft\Edge\Application\msedge.exemsedge.exe
User:
admin
Company:
Microsoft Corporation
Integrity Level:
MEDIUM
Description:
Microsoft Edge
Exit code:
0
Version:
122.0.2365.59
Modules
Images
c:\program files (x86)\microsoft\edge\application\msedge.exe
c:\windows\system32\ntdll.dll
c:\windows\system32\kernel32.dll
c:\windows\system32\kernelbase.dll
c:\program files (x86)\microsoft\edge\application\122.0.2365.59\msedge_elf.dll
c:\windows\system32\oleaut32.dll
c:\windows\system32\msvcp_win.dll
c:\windows\system32\ucrtbase.dll
c:\windows\system32\combase.dll
c:\windows\system32\rpcrt4.dll
6004"C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft\Edge\Application\msedge.exe" --type=utility --utility-sub-type=data_decoder.mojom.DataDecoderService --lang=en-US --service-sandbox-type=service --no-appcompat-clear --mojo-platform-channel-handle=7304 --field-trial-handle=2352,i,14435420935487666520,15333146961740651187,262144 --variations-seed-version /prefetch:8C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft\Edge\Application\msedge.exemsedge.exe
User:
admin
Company:
Microsoft Corporation
Integrity Level:
LOW
Description:
Microsoft Edge
Exit code:
0
Version:
122.0.2365.59
Modules
Images
c:\program files (x86)\microsoft\edge\application\msedge.exe
c:\windows\system32\ntdll.dll
c:\windows\system32\kernel32.dll
c:\windows\system32\kernelbase.dll
c:\program files (x86)\microsoft\edge\application\122.0.2365.59\msedge_elf.dll
c:\windows\system32\oleaut32.dll
c:\windows\system32\msvcp_win.dll
c:\windows\system32\ucrtbase.dll
c:\windows\system32\combase.dll
c:\windows\system32\rpcrt4.dll
6272"C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft\Edge\Application\msedge.exe" --type=utility --utility-sub-type=data_decoder.mojom.DataDecoderService --lang=en-US --service-sandbox-type=service --no-appcompat-clear --mojo-platform-channel-handle=7296 --field-trial-handle=2352,i,14435420935487666520,15333146961740651187,262144 --variations-seed-version /prefetch:8C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft\Edge\Application\msedge.exemsedge.exe
User:
admin
Company:
Microsoft Corporation
Integrity Level:
LOW
Description:
Microsoft Edge
Exit code:
0
Version:
122.0.2365.59
Modules
Images
c:\program files (x86)\microsoft\edge\application\msedge.exe
c:\windows\system32\ntdll.dll
c:\windows\system32\kernel32.dll
c:\windows\system32\kernelbase.dll
c:\program files (x86)\microsoft\edge\application\122.0.2365.59\msedge_elf.dll
c:\windows\system32\oleaut32.dll
c:\windows\system32\msvcp_win.dll
c:\windows\system32\ucrtbase.dll
c:\windows\system32\combase.dll
c:\windows\system32\rpcrt4.dll
6476"C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft\Edge\Application\msedge.exe" --type=utility --utility-sub-type=data_decoder.mojom.DataDecoderService --lang=en-US --service-sandbox-type=service --no-appcompat-clear --mojo-platform-channel-handle=6996 --field-trial-handle=2352,i,14435420935487666520,15333146961740651187,262144 --variations-seed-version /prefetch:8C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft\Edge\Application\msedge.exemsedge.exe
User:
admin
Company:
Microsoft Corporation
Integrity Level:
LOW
Description:
Microsoft Edge
Exit code:
0
Version:
122.0.2365.59
Modules
Images
c:\program files (x86)\microsoft\edge\application\msedge.exe
c:\windows\system32\ntdll.dll
c:\windows\system32\kernel32.dll
c:\windows\system32\kernelbase.dll
c:\program files (x86)\microsoft\edge\application\122.0.2365.59\msedge_elf.dll
c:\windows\system32\oleaut32.dll
c:\windows\system32\msvcp_win.dll
c:\windows\system32\ucrtbase.dll
c:\windows\system32\combase.dll
c:\windows\system32\rpcrt4.dll
7220"C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft\Edge\Application\msedge.exe" --type=crashpad-handler "--user-data-dir=C:\Users\admin\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Edge\User Data" /prefetch:4 --monitor-self-annotation=ptype=crashpad-handler "--database=C:\Users\admin\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Edge\User Data\Crashpad" --annotation=IsOfficialBuild=1 --annotation=channel= --annotation=chromium-version=122.0.6261.70 "--annotation=exe=C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft\Edge\Application\msedge.exe" --annotation=plat=Win64 "--annotation=prod=Microsoft Edge" --annotation=ver=122.0.2365.59 --initial-client-data=0x274,0x278,0x308,0x300,0x310,0x7ffc881c5fd8,0x7ffc881c5fe4,0x7ffc881c5ff0C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft\Edge\Application\msedge.exemsedge.exe
User:
admin
Company:
Microsoft Corporation
Integrity Level:
MEDIUM
Description:
Microsoft Edge
Version:
122.0.2365.59
Modules
Images
c:\program files (x86)\microsoft\edge\application\msedge.exe
c:\windows\system32\ntdll.dll
c:\windows\system32\kernel32.dll
c:\windows\system32\kernelbase.dll
c:\program files (x86)\microsoft\edge\application\122.0.2365.59\msedge_elf.dll
c:\windows\system32\oleaut32.dll
c:\windows\system32\msvcp_win.dll
c:\windows\system32\ucrtbase.dll
c:\windows\system32\combase.dll
c:\windows\system32\rpcrt4.dll
Total events
3 807
Read events
3 780
Write events
27
Delete events
0

Modification events

(PID) Process:(2140) msedge.exeKey:HKEY_CURRENT_USER\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Edge\BLBeacon
Operation:writeName:failed_count
Value:
0
(PID) Process:(2140) msedge.exeKey:HKEY_CURRENT_USER\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Edge\BLBeacon
Operation:writeName:state
Value:
2
(PID) Process:(2140) msedge.exeKey:HKEY_CURRENT_USER\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Edge\BLBeacon
Operation:writeName:state
Value:
1
(PID) Process:(2140) msedge.exeKey:HKEY_CURRENT_USER\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Edge\StabilityMetrics
Operation:writeName:user_experience_metrics.stability.exited_cleanly
Value:
0
(PID) Process:(2140) msedge.exeKey:HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\WOW6432Node\Microsoft\EdgeUpdate\ClientStateMedium\{56EB18F8-B008-4CBD-B6D2-8C97FE7E9062}\LastWasDefault
Operation:writeName:S-1-5-21-1693682860-607145093-2874071422-1001
Value:
14D133D5B18F2F00
(PID) Process:(2140) msedge.exeKey:HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\WOW6432Node\Microsoft\EdgeUpdate\ClientStateMedium\{56EB18F8-B008-4CBD-B6D2-8C97FE7E9062}\LastWasDefault
Operation:writeName:S-1-5-21-1693682860-607145093-2874071422-1001
Value:
77983DD5B18F2F00
(PID) Process:(2140) msedge.exeKey:HKEY_CURRENT_USER\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\WindowProperties\262874
Operation:writeName:WindowTabManagerFileMappingId
Value:
{F589B973-29F4-4874-BE8F-E3E1F2B65804}
(PID) Process:(2140) msedge.exeKey:HKEY_CURRENT_USER\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\WindowProperties\262874
Operation:writeName:WindowTabManagerFileMappingId
Value:
{21BF2802-9B75-4403-9588-3FDEE11E0B1E}
(PID) Process:(2140) msedge.exeKey:HKEY_CURRENT_USER\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\WindowProperties\262874
Operation:writeName:WindowTabManagerFileMappingId
Value:
{01F868DC-EDBD-43A5-9F1A-54FC443D90E4}
(PID) Process:(2140) msedge.exeKey:HKEY_CURRENT_USER\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\WindowProperties\262874
Operation:writeName:WindowTabManagerFileMappingId
Value:
{851D8DA4-754D-4DAE-BE08-A5F0395E6AA8}
Executable files
12
Suspicious files
83
Text files
29
Unknown types
0

Dropped files

PID
Process
Filename
Type
2140msedge.exeC:\Users\admin\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Edge\User Data\Default\commerce_subscription_db\LOG.old~RF10b400.TMP
MD5:
SHA256:
2140msedge.exeC:\Users\admin\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Edge\User Data\Default\commerce_subscription_db\LOG.old
MD5:
SHA256:
2140msedge.exeC:\Users\admin\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Edge\User Data\Default\discounts_db\LOG.old~RF10b400.TMP
MD5:
SHA256:
2140msedge.exeC:\Users\admin\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Edge\User Data\Default\discounts_db\LOG.old
MD5:
SHA256:
2140msedge.exeC:\Users\admin\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Edge\User Data\Default\EdgePushStorageWithConnectTokenAndKey\LOG.old~RF10b40f.TMP
MD5:
SHA256:
2140msedge.exeC:\Users\admin\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Edge\User Data\Default\parcel_tracking_db\LOG.old~RF10b40f.TMP
MD5:
SHA256:
2140msedge.exeC:\Users\admin\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Edge\User Data\Default\EdgePushStorageWithConnectTokenAndKey\LOG.old
MD5:
SHA256:
2140msedge.exeC:\Users\admin\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Edge\User Data\Default\parcel_tracking_db\LOG.old
MD5:
SHA256:
2140msedge.exeC:\Users\admin\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Edge\User Data\Default\PersistentOriginTrials\LOG.old~RF10b40f.TMP
MD5:
SHA256:
2140msedge.exeC:\Users\admin\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Edge\User Data\Default\PersistentOriginTrials\LOG.old
MD5:
SHA256:
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HTTP(S) requests
5
TCP/UDP connections
93
DNS requests
100
Threats
24

HTTP requests

PID
Process
Method
HTTP Code
IP
URL
CN
Type
Size
Reputation
GET
200
2.16.168.124:80
http://crl.microsoft.com/pki/crl/products/MicRooCerAut2011_2011_03_22.crl
unknown
whitelisted
6544
svchost.exe
GET
200
2.23.77.188:80
http://ocsp.digicert.com/MFEwTzBNMEswSTAJBgUrDgMCGgUABBSAUQYBMq2awn1Rh6Doh%2FsBYgFV7gQUA95QNVbRTLtm8KPiGxvDl7I90VUCEAJ0LqoXyo4hxxe7H%2Fz9DKA%3D
unknown
whitelisted
8596
backgroundTaskHost.exe
GET
200
2.23.77.188:80
http://ocsp.digicert.com/MFEwTzBNMEswSTAJBgUrDgMCGgUABBQ50otx%2Fh0Ztl%2Bz8SiPI7wEWVxDlQQUTiJUIBiV5uNu5g%2F6%2BrkS7QYXjzkCEAUZZSZEml49Gjh0j13P68w%3D
unknown
whitelisted
8092
SIHClient.exe
GET
200
2.23.246.101:80
http://www.microsoft.com/pkiops/crl/Microsoft%20ECC%20Update%20Secure%20Server%20CA%202.1.crl
unknown
whitelisted
8092
SIHClient.exe
GET
200
2.23.246.101:80
http://www.microsoft.com/pkiops/crl/Microsoft%20ECC%20Product%20Root%20Certificate%20Authority%202018.crl
unknown
whitelisted
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Connections

PID
Process
IP
Domain
ASN
CN
Reputation
4.231.128.59:443
settings-win.data.microsoft.com
MICROSOFT-CORP-MSN-AS-BLOCK
IE
whitelisted
4
System
192.168.100.255:137
whitelisted
2.16.168.124:80
crl.microsoft.com
Akamai International B.V.
RU
whitelisted
4
System
192.168.100.255:138
whitelisted
2140
msedge.exe
239.255.255.250:1900
whitelisted
7420
msedge.exe
204.79.197.239:443
edge.microsoft.com
MICROSOFT-CORP-MSN-AS-BLOCK
US
whitelisted
7420
msedge.exe
13.107.42.16:443
config.edge.skype.com
MICROSOFT-CORP-MSN-AS-BLOCK
US
whitelisted
7420
msedge.exe
13.107.246.60:443
edge-mobile-static.azureedge.net
MICROSOFT-CORP-MSN-AS-BLOCK
US
whitelisted
7420
msedge.exe
13.107.6.158:443
business.bing.com
MICROSOFT-CORP-MSN-AS-BLOCK
US
whitelisted
7420
msedge.exe
18.173.205.45:443
www.flipsnack.com
US
shared

DNS requests

Domain
IP
Reputation
settings-win.data.microsoft.com
  • 4.231.128.59
  • 20.73.194.208
whitelisted
google.com
  • 142.250.186.174
whitelisted
crl.microsoft.com
  • 2.16.168.124
  • 2.16.168.114
whitelisted
edge.microsoft.com
  • 204.79.197.239
  • 13.107.21.239
whitelisted
edge-mobile-static.azureedge.net
  • 13.107.246.60
whitelisted
config.edge.skype.com
  • 13.107.42.16
whitelisted
www.flipsnack.com
  • 18.173.205.45
  • 18.173.205.17
  • 18.173.205.67
  • 18.173.205.120
shared
business.bing.com
  • 13.107.6.158
whitelisted
bzib.nelreports.net
  • 2.19.11.100
  • 2.19.11.120
whitelisted
cdn.flipsnack.com
  • 18.239.50.40
  • 18.239.50.7
  • 18.239.50.99
  • 18.239.50.86
whitelisted

Threats

PID
Process
Class
Message
7420
msedge.exe
Not Suspicious Traffic
INFO [ANY.RUN] Cloudflare turnstile CAPTCHA challenge
7420
msedge.exe
Not Suspicious Traffic
INFO [ANY.RUN] Cloudflare turnstile CAPTCHA challenge
7420
msedge.exe
Not Suspicious Traffic
INFO [ANY.RUN] jQuery JavaScript Library Code Loaded (code .jquery .com)
7420
msedge.exe
Not Suspicious Traffic
INFO [ANY.RUN] Cloudflare content delivery network (cdnjs .cloudflare .com)
7420
msedge.exe
Not Suspicious Traffic
INFO [ANY.RUN] BootstrapCDN (stackpath .bootstrapcdn .com)
7420
msedge.exe
Not Suspicious Traffic
INFO [ANY.RUN] Google Hosted Libraries (ajax .googleapis .com)
7420
msedge.exe
Not Suspicious Traffic
INFO [ANY.RUN] jQuery JavaScript Library Code Loaded (code .jquery .com)
7420
msedge.exe
Not Suspicious Traffic
INFO [ANY.RUN] Cloudflare content delivery network (cdnjs .cloudflare .com)
7420
msedge.exe
Not Suspicious Traffic
INFO [ANY.RUN] BootstrapCDN (maxcdn .bootstrapcdn .com)
7420
msedge.exe
Misc activity
ET INFO Tencent Cloud Storage Domain in DNS Lookup (myqcloud .com)
No debug info